Riot Police Evict Occupy Oakland
Reports late Sunday night of an "imminent" raid on Occupy Oakland quickly spread to the protesters.
Via:
"The Oakland Police Department is planning an enormous operation to evict hundreds of Occupy Oakland protesters from their encampment near City Hall early Monday morning, according to police and city officials with direct knowledge of the plans."
"Oakland has agreed to pay for 700-to-1,000 officers from numerous agencies to be deployed over the next three days, according to an Oakland official who agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity. The operation was shaping up as the largest and most expensive police action in Oakland in recent memory."
"The cost of the operation could reach $1 million, the official said. Combined with the city's previous effort to evict the protesters, including at least two violent clashes, cleanup and private security that may be hired to prevent the protesters from resettling on the plaza, the overall cost of Occupy Oakland could reach $5 million, he said."
The city of Oakland closed 13 schools this year to "save" $2 million. Crushing a group of peaceful campers? Priceless.
Thirty-two people were arrested today, including many clergy members, and Occupy Oakland's tent city has been dismantled.
The decision to evict the protesters by Mayor Jean Quan has cost her more than the $1 million she shelled out for extra police back-up. Dan Siegel, Quan's legal adviser, posted on Facebook that he has resigned over Monday's police raid of Occupy Oakland.
Via:
His Facebook post: "No longer Mayor Quan's legal adviser. Resigned at 2 am. Support Occupy Oakland, not the 1% and its government facilitators."
Siegel and Quan have been friends for decades, since they attended University of California, Berkeley together. Siegel was on Quan's transition team before she took office in January and stayed on as an adviser after that, drawing controversy when he openly opposed a gang injunction policy sought by the city attorney.
I wonder if Jean Quan is aware that there are people camping outside of the movie theaters waiting to see the latest "Twilight" movie? Die-hard "Twilight" fans beware!
It's good that the citizens get to see just how deep the tentacles of control of the 1% have reached into their government. The complaints of the Occupy movement begin at the local level.
When tyranny is law, revolution is order.
Agreed. Think Globally Act Locally. It's where change will happen first.
Lots of critics saying, "Get out of the parks, you're just compromising the larger goals." Wrong! The way to the larger goals is by making local politicians (and police, who answer to the local politicians) accountable and responsible. Push them to do the right thing and if they don't then vote them out.
All the problems are local. Foreclosures. Unemployment. Homelessness. Drug addiction. Suicides among veterans. All these problems are symptoms of the sickness of an undemocratic economy, which is grievance #1 of the Occupations.
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
According to the mutual assistance pact among Bay Area police & sheriff depts, if one faces an emergency situation in an unplanned event they all are expected to respond at their own expense. And they did. The last time.
But Alameda County made it clear a few days ago that if asked to participate again in clearing the plaza Oakland would pay - the Occupation stopped being an "unplanned event" when Quan invited them back.
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
Wow. A politician who has alienated BOTH sides. Now THAT'S bipartisanship.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Thanks. I needed that. If sarcastic laughing is exercise, you just gave me a week's worth.
They're not camping.
far left loon >.<
:(
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Hey, if the cops aren't actually executing occupiers, then all the occupiers need to do is walk back again later. Running a city out of riot cop money seems like a decent strategy to me.
I LIKE it.
That's the plan. At some point those cops are going to decide to begin serving and protecting the movement. Later they will take off their helmets and put down their weapons and join the movement.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Meeting at 4 pm at the library and marching back to re-occupy. Just like last time. Hopefullywithout almost killing a vet like last time, though.
with a republican governor, and two republican senators. Liberals in California must do all in their power to show up to the voting booths and support the Dem Party, it's the only way to stop this fascist bullshit!!!
Oh, wait.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
It's a Democratic mayor acting like a fascist.
I guess she's trying to out-Republican the Republicans on being a bastard, or being "bipartisan".
It's a Democratic mayor acting like a
fascistdouche bag.far left loon >.<
An Asian woman driving the political bus into a ditch. Which, well, you've seen Asian women drive.
VIDEO: Occupy Houston “mic checks” Eric Cantor Very good!
How is this functionally different then tebaggers shouting down Democrats during the healthcare debate? If it's bad for one side to do, it is bad for the other to do too. The guy introducing Cantor is right, even if he is a douche; it's fundementally undemocratic and against the spirit and interests of free speech to shout down those you disagree with. Wait till question and answer, then don't let him leave without answering your questions, let your position be known. Shouting people down, especially at the beginning of the event, just makes you look foolish, and it removes you from the room by the time any substantive discussion and impact can be made.
The OWS were trying to turn a one-way communication into a debate. Whereas the Teabaggers were trying to do the exact opposite. Sure, the OWS methods may not suit your sense and sensibility, but that is another issue completely than the OWS and Teabagger methods being functionally the same.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
Shouting someone down is shouting someone down is shouting someone down. Note I said express yourself, make your position known, and press him to put forth his positions, just do it at an appropriate time when people will actually listen to you. You can either be the rowdy douche who got kicked out before Cantor talked or the insightful person who made Cantor look like a greedy asshole with a great question later on. Your choice.
and that the media would report on that mythical super awesome and properly worded, in the most sensible tone of voice, question that would have Cantor reconsider his core set of beliefs and bring tears to his otherwise soulless eyes.
When there is a strong case to be made, based on historical evidence, that if the OWS people had patiently waited for a turn that was never gonna come, we would not be discussing their interaction with Cantor to begin with.
Sorry, but I just refuse to equate a bunch of hippies speaking out of turn to an elected official, with thugs showing up with guns to town halls.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
No one is saying the question would cause Cantor to change his beliefs. Debate 101 teaches that the group to be swayed is the audience, not the opponent. It doesn't matter what Cantor thinks himself if everyone else thinks he's a pigheaded idiot. And if they don't let you speak during the question and answer section, then you can rightfully call them out then as supressors of free and honest discourse, doing what the students did then. Shouting down a Republican before he even speaks makes you look just a entitled and douchey as when teabaggers do it to Democrats. Public debate is as much about presentation as content. This is a supremely shitty presentation.
if the speaker refuses to answer your question, providing you even get the opportunity to ask one? The republiscum are quite well known for their pre-screened "questions' from a hand-picked, select few, planted audience members. They are also well known for simply ignoring, and running away from, any question that they don't like. They care nothing about any negative publicity that comes from such actions.
Yes, and then that is the time to vociferously object. Then, you are switching the message from, "look, we wanted to keep him from speaking," to, "look, he kept us from speaking." One is a much stronger message than the other. Again, we don't care about what Cantor thinks or says, we care about what the people listening and watching think or say. The goal is to get them to sympathize and agree with you. Shouting down people before they can even speak predominantly gets 1 of 2 reactions, fear, or bemused condecension. These, at least in theory, are the tools of the baggers, not OWS.
using that tactic gets exactly ONE result. A story on progressive websites like this one, and absolutely NOTHING from the Corporate-owned Media. So, what's to lose by shouting down these a$$holes?
And who else is paying attention because of what they did do? No one. This sort of event is not making the news either way unless something really big goes down. So then, the idea is to influence the people at the event. This sort of activity influences in the wrong direction.
And who else is paying attention because of what they did do?
A large majority of the American public. I believe that number is up to about 75%.
far left loon >.<
They are paying attention because a dozen grad students made a rucus at the begining of a talk at a university? Really?
Yes, and then that is the time to vociferously object. Then, you are switching the message from, "look, we wanted to keep him from speaking," to, "look, he kept us from speaking."
Yes, that's been so effective since 2000. Remember the free speech zones? Remember all the questions Republicans took from liberals? Remember all the war protests the MSM ignored?
Incidentally, how much is Cantor being paid for this gig?
far left loon >.<
when hippies show up to a town hall sporting semi automatic weapons, or when progressive operatives shut down a vote recount by bullying and screaming. Then, I will buy the equivalence you're selling...
I can understand the concern for proper norms. But my question still remains: if they had followed your advice and wait for their turn to be dismissed, would we be discussing about this OWS action as we're doing right now?
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
But we are a bunch of liberals who already agree. Getting us to discuss this does not matter. Navel gazing gets nothing done. What we need to do is convince others. Towards that end, we need to choose the times we step out of line carefully, lest we become a self-caricature like Green Peace or PETA.
The thing to do would be to ask questions, then not let him blow you off. If the event is structured to disallow open question and comment, get loud about that. Make the point be that he is keeping you from talking, not that you are trying to keep him from talking.
If the ones you're trying to convince are the people at OWS, I am obviously the wrong person to talk to. Which makes your method of expressing your opinion rather inefficient. Should we then apply the same standard to you as you apply to others?
See how arbitrary expectations, and the danger that they may be motivated by personal projection, can lead to some slippery slopes?
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
Fair enough. Though as noted elsewhere, the idea of debate is to sway the crowd, not the opponent. :) There may well be OWS people reading this as well.
but there is also the possibility that the OWS people were simply interested in voicing their opinions directly to Cantor.
Being able to talk truth to power is also a defining characteristic of democracy. ;-)
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
And as individuals, that's great. The problem comes in recoginizing that as a representative of a movement, more than just your personal feelings and interests need to be considered.
If there is one thing Republicans know how to do, it's effectively message for maximum impact. We need to do it better than them to win. This video is not an example of "better".
It makes you look extremely foolish when your claim to free speech includes the right to prevent others from exercising that right.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
You're all about the free speech and unimpeded traffic, aintcha.
far left loon >.<
Wrong.
far left loon >.<
Wow, eloquent and insightful!
Let me know when the 99% get invited to the Sunday morning talk shows.
far left loon >.<
And again, how is that point in any way relevant?
It's time for the 99% to be heard.
People are starting to listen.
far left loon >.<
Broad, generic statements like this have no bearing on what I said. I agree in the broad sense, but I don't think the action taken here is helpful.
It's not hurting anyone.
far left loon >.<
I argue it could be. Not literally, of course, but shouting down a speaker as soon as he appears on stage is very clearly a form of intimidation. As I've said already, we need to be seen as the opressed, not the opressors. Regarless of what the truth we all know to be is, the appearance of people shouting down a speaker is that they are attempting to keep him from talking. Not good.
Scan Youtube and see who's getting pepper spray, rubber bullets, tear gas, riot police and bulldozers. Not Eric Cantor.
far left loon >.<
You are amazingly talented at making irrelevant yet emotinally charged comments.
I don't advocate violence, but the time for "being nice" has passed.
far left loon >.<
The big differenece is that the OWS "Mic Check" is an organized message at the beginning of the speech.
The Tea Party disruptions were just that - disruptions.
And this is the big difference - the Tea Party disruptions persisted throughout the entire meeting.
OWS did their bit and were done. Cantor proceeded with his speech uninterupted.
Every Town Hall meeting disrupted by the Tea Party was a debacle from beginning to end.
Big Difference.
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
Your perspective is not what matters. Unfortunately, what matters is the perspective of the people sitting at home watching CNN and going, "yeah, huh, OWS = left wing Tea Party". It's not fair, but the fact is we have to go above and beyond to win support.
.. sitting at home watching CNN feel?
You've done a survey?
Got statistics?
Or just an opinion?
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
Because of what CNN says all day long. Or BBC World Service, if you prefer. Or really any MSM outlet. Most people are fairly noncritical consumers of news media. What the faces on the light and color box say is true untill the congitive dissonance gets too high.
And in any case, why is my opinion on the average CNN viewer any less valid than your opinion about how night and day difference the baggers and this instance of OWS action are? You think that it makes a difference how long the disruption lasts for? Really? If anything, the longer disruption is more effective because it gets more face time. One is, "some protesters were kicked out of the room after yelling at the start of Cantor's speach." The other is, "some protestors showed thier strong opposition to the senator's positions by shutting down his meeting today."
When you adopt the tactics of the other side, you will be judged by the same metrics they are. A successful disruptive event is measured by how disruptive it was, not by the message presented. Even on those metrics, this was a piss poor performance. They yelled some, then were drowned out by the guy on the mic as they were escorted out before even finishing getting their message out.
Most people are fairly noncritical consumers of news media.
So I mentioned the police violence. They also see and understand that: they can see people being beaten by police. Is that too emotionally charged or irrelevant?
far left loon >.<
We have to go above and beyond to win support.
The majority of OWS has been going out of their way/our way to be model peaceful protestors. There is already a great deal of support. Don't expect CNN to report that. They've trashed OWS from day 1, as have the other networks.
far left loon >.<
This is why the founders included the 2nd amendment.
Why are we fighting conservatives over there when they are already here
Now we know who's the Wicked Witch of the West.
FU Quan.
Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.
RAW VIDEO: Police Put Up Barricades in Oakland
Oakland police were putting up barricades early Monday morning, ratcheting up pressure for demonstrators to leave the main "Occupy Oakland" site in front of City Hal
http://www.newslook.com/videos/371326-raw-vid...
So, to avoid having protestors disrupt the public square and thus keeping it safe for all, they are barricading it off.
BRILLIANT!
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
That's cop logic for you. It's sort of like shooting a guy to death to prevent him from committing suicide.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
Those barricades are blocking traffic. What if I had a 2-year-old that needed to get home?
far left loon >.<
it's o.k.
Thanks again to President Obama and the DOJ for stepping in to defend citizens' constistutionally guaranteed right to peacefully assemble. Oh wait, they didn't. Big surprise there.
Maybe we should make them take an Oath of some sort to uphold the Constitution and Rule of Law.
Maybe someday the Constitution will actually be followed. Doubtful, but maybe.
That'd be nice. Calling out the National Guard to keep the cops off the citizens would make amazing news. It would change the country overnight.
If these people were millionaires taking over the park she would be giving a speech and welcoming them to the park. She would then start a collection to raise money for her reelection. She would then insist that the Parks Department provide them with tents, sleeping bags, blankets, generators, hot meals and concierge services. And she would ask the police to provide around the clock protection for them.
Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.
Wonder why they didn't do this shit to idiot Teabircher's?
Wonder if it had anything to do with the fact that the nutjobs were armed?
These bipartisan fascist fuckers are going to start a war.
No matter how many times they are evicted, the protesters should just walk back.
Either america is going to go full tilt fascist, or the fascist are going to go.
These are protests that have the overwhelming support of the american people. I really don't think these fascists have any idea what's coming their way. They are so arrogant and out of touch, and have been so successful and unchallenged for so long, that they think they are above it all.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
They didn't do it to teabaggers because teabag events were by and large the hoverround set at a costume party barbeque. They all went home before the sun set. Good illustration of the difference between astroturf and real grassroots.
We're talking about civil disobedience here. The idea is to force an overreaction that not only publicizes the concerns of the protestors, but also paints those protestors as the good guys.
The gun-totin', red-in-the-face, spittle-soaked tea partiers ultimately did themselves a disservice, imo, by defining themselves as old,angry, middle class, entitled white people. They never got to demonstrate how they were oppressed- because they aren't, and they never have been.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
getting in the face of the police and using them as surrogates for the people they wanted to scream at but couldn't get near. No they didn't do that. Or block any major bridges or roads? Or break any windows? Or set anything on fire? They had their rallies and went home. They didn't permanently claim public spaces for their own and deny them to others. Most of the OWS people have been patient and decent and deserving of consideration but some have not and the longer this goes on the more attention will be focused on those aspects of OWS as the only things newsworthy. You've got to know when you've jumped the shark.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
The teabaggers were told what to think by the propaganda arm of the 1%. They were told where to board buses for their protests, and what to hold up as signs. They were told how to protest, and they were told when to go home. They believed their mission was waving signs for TV cameras, and then their fictional problems would go away. Not having real problems, they couldn't tell whether or not their 'problems' were fixed, so they just had to go home and watch themselves on the propaganda. The teabaggers also didn't have agents provocateurs infiltrating and causing problems... because liberals aren't criminal assholes.
The occupy folks know their very real problems in a personal, visceral way, and they know that those problems still exist. They also know their protests are scaring and angering the people that caused those problems. They are living their lives at least partly in the streets, and that's not entirely clean. Also, their enemies have no problem sending in troublemakers to justify illegal, immoral, unconstitutional and evil police activity.
Their "grassroots" movement was quickly coopted, so they are not only NOT powerless, but are also well financed. Otherwise, how could they afford paying Sarah McGrifter $100K for a "speech". They had their rallies and went home because the Rethugs are doing what they believe is their work for them. If they had any brains, they'd realize that the Occupy movement is representing them more than the GOP.
OWS is not going to die off because they are evicted from parks. The movement will eventually morph into a political movement with great widespread power, and the Dem city mayors who are presently evicting them from parks will be on OWS hit list for officials to remove. And more power to them for that.
And the media has focused from the start on any little thing to discredit OWS,and no one expects that to change. But the widespread support of OWS shows that maybe the MSM will not have as much influence any more. People losing their jobs, homes and having huge debt from education loans, etc., are not going to pay attention to the MSM. I am surrounded by those people where I live, and have had my own job hours cut from full time recently. Does the MSM seriously think I am going to listen to Candy Crowley asking why I shouldn't have more "skin in the game" in deficit reduction. Fools. And foolish are you if you believe them. It is obvious that you are a TeaBagger sympathizer, so we're not going to take you any more seriously than we do the MSM.
You'd have to be a moron to not realize that the Tea Parties and OWS use different tactics.The Tea Partiers through tantrums and carried guns openly where it's legal. They got parade permits, they got permits to hold rallies in public spaces.
That they took legal measures, however, isn't to say they have the moral high ground, and Peter isn't even close to arguing that the Tea Partiers have the moral high ground.
The fact is that the OWS movement, in many of the separate locations across the world, is purposely flouting the laws of of those locales with the intent to force an overreaction from the cops. When OWS does this peacefully, they not only retain the moral high ground, but they get publicity for doing so, they gain more traction. When a few of those claiming to be from within the movement start carrying openly- legally or not- and/or riot, there's blowback, and the movement loses a chunk of the high ground.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Except the obvious theme is thread after thread Peter applauds the Baggers and denigrates OWS. A trend like that is rather revealing of his sympathies.
far left loon >.<
Where? I'm not seeing it? Are you sure it's not the image of Peter in your head that's doing the applauding?
I think you're mistaking the presentation of fact for the approval of that fact.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Right. It's all in my head. Silly me.
far left loon >.<
Be specific.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
You'd have to be a moron to not realize that the Tea Parties and OWS use different tactics.
You'd have to be a moron, or Peter G - but I repeat myself.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
the last time i checked (about 5 minutes ago) the law gives every american the right to assemble peacefully, the right to free speech, and the right to petition the gov't for redress. nowhere in the constitution does it provide an exception if public officials don't like what, how or where the aforementioned happen. in fact, that's more or less the whole point of the first amendment, to keep public officials from shutting down those activities.
the parks themselves are public spaces, paid for and maintained with taxpayer dollars. absent a showing, by the government, that the use of public facilities, by the public, represents a danger to the public (not just the sensibilities of rich people), than said government is required, by law, to keep their fucking hands off.
what about the first amendment eludes you?
...the rights to free speech and free assembly don't mean what you think they mean. If they did, a local government couldn't stop a crowd of people from running down the roads in the wee small hours of the morning, shouting "You deserve a break today!" at the top of their lungs.
The right to free assembly wasn't based on the banning of assemblies in public, but in private. The Crown had the right to ban a salon hosted by Patrick Patriot, attended by his friends, for fear that they were conspiring against the Crown. The SCOTUS has time and again upheld laws that limit the use of public space for speech and assembly. The SCOTUS has disagreed with unfair application of those laws- see National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie - but not with those laws in and of themselves.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
...the morality of the OWS tactics, but only to point out that they are doing something VERY different than what the Tea Parties have done.
What it boils down to here is a case of those who value the law over morality and those who value morality over the law. Because, ya know, the law and morality aren't necessarily the same things.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
I disagree that this is merely conflict over different ideas on where law and morality sit in the pecking order. Local politicians are ignoring existing laws, including the primary law of the land, the Constitution, and at times just making up and ramming through laws specifically to break up these protests. The police have been caught in numerous circumstances utilising illegal tactics and equipment, shady moves to arrest more people, outright violence, letting others get away with violence against the protesters and lying at every turn about what weapons and tactics they have been using on people and why. The law does not apply here. Things have moved beyond the letter of the law. If the powers that be, the representatives of the law and the state, are not playing fair, why the hell should the protesters?
Besides, I really think this is not about a difference of opinion on focus or about nitpicking over the letter of the law with regard to rights to assembly or expression. It is about the haves deliberately doing everything in their power to bully, cajole, terrorise and intimidate the have-nots out of exercising any kind of agency, self-determination or power. It's rigging the game, just very loudly and publicly.
But that's not really addressing the point of this sub-thread, which is about the differences between the Tea Party and OWS: The former dots the i's and crosses the t's and makes a claim that they are superior because they do so, the latter doesn't, and shouldn't have to, since, again, legality is not necessarily morality.
Any police overreaction or ex post facto legislation passed to silence OWS backfires, and works to the benefit of OWS. I suppose that you can claim outrage- and maybe you should, in order to attract attention to the cause- but if you're honest with yourself, you know that it's the best thing that could happen in order to motivate the public, to win it over. The problem being is that you can get caught up in fighting battles against the reactions and lose focus concerning the real point of the protests.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
They didn't permanently claim public spaces for their own and deny them to others.
Who has been denied entry? All are welcome.
far left loon >.<
Good point Edwin. They are also peaceful. It only gets violent when the police attack them with sticks, explosives, nets, and chemical weapons.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Have been disavowed by the movement and by the spokespeople for Occupy Oakland after each incident. These are agent provacateurs, not Occupiers.
You didn't see that because there were no police at the bagger rallies, to speak of. They were over too quickly - as soon as the light for the Corporate TV cameras went, so went the rallies - everyone was home, asleep in their McMansions by 10 PM.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
He joins the ranks of other legal advisors with integrity, like Elliot Richardson, but not Alberto Gonzales, Eric Holder, John Yoo, etc.
Yes. Agreed.
far left loon >.<
He's got my vote if he runs. Lots of "Recall Quan" signs popping up all over town.
Stupid tiny keyboard...
Let's not despair. Occupy Oakland will regroup and continue the occupation. Keep making the City of Oakland spend money on overtime for the riot pigs until either the city goes bankrupt or until the people get tired of these expensive, repressive strong arm tactics.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
A few hundred people camped out in the plaza
or
Riot cops creating havoc in downtown oakland
???
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
temporary restraining order!
fk yeah, and even if it hadnt come in the result would be the same. OWS folk should simply take a 3 day weekend to go sleep in a regular bed etc etc etc and when the rent-a-cops 3 day stint expires wander right back in. that sort of thing hammers the point that one is just pissing money away and while it costs TPTB money to make their point it costs the OWS folk considerably less to make theirs.
the best thing they can do is something that actually FIXES the problems generating the protests rather than using bandaids (hiring cops to clear streets, which doesnt address anything). in any case, no prohibition of petition for redress of grievance. im not American but i dont see anything there about 'only three days of petition' or 'until the Mayor gets sick of your smelly arses' - so in at least two ways i can see this as a losing proposition for those against OWS.
gathering of thugs in uniform, with a history of repeated violence against the citizens...especially violence against citizens of color. I fully expect them to be among the early users of lethal force against protesting citizens, as this until now one-sided class warfare continues to be resisted by the People.
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